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Lunatics Anonymous Iguana Killers Club
Key West, FL 33040
United States
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11-3-10: When they tell you to ‘Keep Coming Back’, run for your life!!!A
One of the most worrying aspects of the 12 Step ideologies, to anyone of a thoughtful and enquiring mind, is its insistence that one must abandon the use of reason and the asking of legitimate questions, accepting AA’s assertions instead through some sort of leap of faith.This approach is made clear at a person’s first attendance at an AA meeting. Typically, the newcomer is told to just listen to what is said by existing members, rather than take an active part or ask questions. They are also told to “look for the similarities, not the differences”. Thus they are advised from the outset to overlook things which are said which conflict with their own understanding and experience, which is already implicitly denigrated.In practice, this leaves the newcomer with little to identify with beyond the bare fact that they have the experience of having drunk problematically in common with others present.This instruction to concentrate on the similarities between what they hear at meetings and their own experience would really be quite unnecessary if a large part of the content of the meeting did not consist of the presentation of ideas which might affront their reason and common sense.
The advice “look for the similarities” is really a veiled admonition that newcomers should discard their critical faculties, and not ask awkward but pertinent questions regarding the true agenda of the meeting. Telling newcomers that they should only listen rather than speak helps ensure that no difficult questions are raised, for instance, regarding the obvious religiosity of the meeting’s format.
As newcomers continue to attend meetings (assuming they do) they become increasingly immersed in a closed world where critical thought is strongly discouraged by peer pressure reinforced with the use of thought-stopping clichés, and a sneering disdain for the intellect exemplified by the slogan “your best thinking got you here”, amongst many others.The “drunkalogues”, in which members recount stories of the damage alcohol did to them, may remain the only “similarity” they can relate to, but they mostly end with an impassioned endorsement of AA’s program as the only thing which could save the speaker, and by implication other alcoholics, from certain destruction.
Meanwhile, the aspects of AA ideology which the newcomer found unreasonable or unacceptable, and was disingenuously advised to overlook, are being gradually absorbed, almost by osmosis, through repeated exposure to them within an enclosed group of mutually-affirming true believers. In this environment, reality can be effectively re-defined for the duration of the meeting and beyond.
Despite himself, the newcomer is now becoming saturated with messages he may have found unreasonable and unacceptable on a frequent and regular basis, if he follows the injunction to go to thirty meetings in thirty days. When he reads AA literature (as he will have been strongly urged to do) he again encounters an aggressive anti-intellectualism, coupled with a belligerent insistence that the only insurance against an alcoholic death is the acceptance of a perverse and wayward form of religious practice. The sneering and dismissive tone adopted towards anyone with reservations about adopting the doctrine elaborated in the “Big Book” is shown by this quote from “Doctor Bob” Smith:
“If you think you are an atheist, an agnostic, a skeptic, or have any other form of intellectual pride which keeps you from accepting what is in this book, I feel sorry for you”.
One has to ask why AA has such a strong anti-intellectual bias. I think it can only be because it sees critical and analytical thought as threatening to its precepts. In other words, AA’s message simply does not stand up to rational examination; hence the intellect is treated with scorn and contempt to try to preempt such examination. Fear of the intellect, as well as hatred and contempt for it, to the extent that the very word “intellectual” is a term of abuse, are typical of totalitarian states from Nazi Germany to Maoist China. They are also well-documented features of totalistic cults
10-30-10: According to the web site posted yesterday there are several ways to terminated the invasive iguanas. The one that I found disgusting was the one that stated “stunning followed by decapitation”. Just how is this done? Do you take a baseball bat and club the iguana over the head. Maybe you have to do it several times as you’re not too good at beating its brains in with the first blow. This is reminiscent of hunters killing baby seals at the Arctic. One missed blow to the upper shoulders could damage a portion of the edible meat. Several blows later you’re to use some type of machete and whack off its head.
No member of the Iguana Killers Club would stoop this low. It is clearly written in the clubs by-laws on page 7, section 2 that clubbing any iguana to death is prohibited. The IKC is a registered professional organization and its entire membership (213) is expected to comply with high standards of humane iguana killing.
All members of the IKC have to show their proficiency using the high powered IKC47 air rifle. It is perfectly legal to hunt iguana in Monroe County as long as you have permission to be on the (killing fields) property. These air rifles are powerful enough to drop a full grown wild pig with one clean shot to the head. Thanks to the IKC as they have dropped over 2500 of these invasive iguanas in the Keys since the club was formed a year and a half ago. The IKC is a family fun organization and promotes protecting the habitat of the Keys with green hunting.
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10/25/10 At the last out of state Alcoholics Anonymous meeting I attended where nobody knew me, the miserable old guru, chair person, asked the group to announce any milestones they may have crossed. “One Year?” he asked. No one responded. “Six months... three months... one month... a week...” still, no one responded. “Twenty-four hours?” he finally asked. As the meeting was moving along at a snail’s pace, with no response from the seated drunks I raised my hand, even having gone without a drink in the last 3 years. The entire room erupted into a Pentecostal like delirium. People where whooping and hollering and jumping up and down and clapping their hands and stomping their feet as though I had saved a hundred babies from the flooding rivers. The speaker stood up and applauded, demanding that I come forward to the front of the meeting. I walked up to the speaker, who handed me a coin sized medal. I reached out to shake his hand and lunged forward and embraced me. With my elbows pinned to my sides, my forearms flapping like I was a twenty pound freshly beheaded turkey, I struggled to break free as the crowd of about sixty drunks and junkies danced, screamed, yelped and applauded. I returned to my seat and the drunk to my right, noticing my confusion, leaned over and tried to explain to me what exactly had just happened. When he leaned back his pint of Vodka slipped out of his pocket and crashed onto the floor and shattered. Admittedly, I really didn’t hear a word he had said to me. I was too busy looking at the coin that was just given to me, thinking to myself “A medal for twenty-four hours? Talk about an eleventh place ribbon.” Emblazoned across the top of the medal were the words “TO THINE OWN SELF BE TRUE.” I chuckled under my breath thinking about the outright lies you continuously hear in the meeting rooms.
After the hilarious spectacle, the meeting resumed to the standard course of people sharing the stories of their alcoholism and drug addictions and how desperately they wanted to quit, and once again I began to feel a little more comfortable, as in this respect I knew exactly what everyone was talking about. In this we all shared a similarity. Of course, my comfort was short lived, as the meeting concluded with everyone holding hands and reciting the Lord’s Prayer. You have to understand, I am the product of multiple generations of secularism. Reciting the Lord’s Prayer is an act perceived by my family to be roughly equivalent to ceremoniously slaughtering a chicken or sacrificing a virgin on a pagan alter. This was most definitely not “spiritual” in nature, it was undeniably religious. At the moment the prayer was over, I picked up my things as quickly as I could and practically ran out the front door. Maybe I’ll try attending AA in another 3 years as they always say they will save a seat for me when I’m ready.
9/4/10 We are animals on this planet. We've reached the apex (supposedly) of dominance due to our ability to adapt and overcome, and this is what every living creature (and its ancestors) that is alive on the planet thus far has also managed to do. Yet we are the only creatures who have created convoluted "self-help" programs, designed to save the weak amongst us from what would otherwise be an improvement through natural selection. Think about it. What if some species of fish or monkey started eating some plant that made them sick or incapable of properly functioning? What would happen to them? They'd die off and be replaced by a stronger, more capable creature. But us humans, we have now diverted from this process of natural selection by pandering to the weak, self-destructive and incapable. This would be great if those same organizations that claim to want to help others don't at the same time foster hatred and contempt for people with differing ideologies. As a result, the whole movement is of questionable value to humanity. We're breeding a new race of humans who give credit to non-existent things for their own deeds, who can't help themselves and need religiously-sponsored entitlement programs to be able to function as normal humans. This is not a good thing. And religion has never been responsible for improving the human condition; that is science's legacy.
9/3/10 Still looking for that easier, softer way? Had enough of that same old time - untested misdirection? No reading. No writing. No amends. No confession. No meetings. No ego deflation. No praying. No holding hands. Standard features of the program include:
- Listening to you without constant reference to the big book or steps.
- Free signing of your court slips without attendance.
- You don’t have to admit you are powerless or insane.
- Work only the steps you want, in the order you choose.
- No beating you over the head with the Big Book.
- Free solid brass doorknobs for your alter.
- Learn the secret of giving it away before you even have it.
- It’s your free will, you make the final choice.
- Free inventories.
- Why "walk the walk" when you can just "talk the talk?"
- Be just what you want. Who would want what they have?
- Limited service fee for removal of your defects and shortcomings.
- You don’t have to freely give it away, you can sell it.
- Private one on one spiritual awaking without belladonna.
- You don’t have to be constitutionally anything.
- If you relapse it’s not your fault, the program takes the heat.
- There is never any mention of God. We are not a spiritual cult.
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9/4/10 Alcoholics Anonymousmay as well qualify as a mainstream cult. Factually, the AA organization and other 12 Step offspring like Narcotics Anonymous (NA), are in fact evangelical religious sects, enjoying the same tax dodge as churches. A typical AA meeting is conducted in a formal liturgical method: The attendees at said meetings must open by stating their names, and confess that they are alcoholics. The members chant the 12 Steps aloud as sanctioned by The Big Book -- the official "Bible" of AA. 'Twixt prayers and chants, each member is required to speak, usually a confession of any backsliding into "devil rum." Meek, depressed, and downtrodden individuals are often belittled and bullied by more aggressive members, especially if the individual is a female. Remember, Alcoholics Anonymous was founded by Midwestern businessmen from a different era, when women were looked upon as only fit to be housewives and doormats for the whims of the husband. (Rather like the views of many fundamentalists, today.) Women in AA, especially those perceived as having low self-esteem, are excellent fodder for predatory males in group sessions. Mental abuse is the norm for the downtrodden female, and actual cases of physical and sexual abuse have occurred. AA is trapped in a sexist and classist time-warp, and "uppity" women need not apply.
A problem drinker is encouraged from his/her first meeting to keep an open mind. Actually, what AA considers an open mind is anything but. An individual cannot deviate from AA dogma. A person conveying any differing opinion to those in The Big Book is castigated as being "in denial" by other members. Even relative social drinkers must confess aloud that they are alcoholics. The naïve and unaware initiates in AA are subjected to what is called "Boot Camp Indoctrination." In the armed services, recruits arriving for basic training in their respective branches of the military are subjected to mental and physical torment to break down individuality to the lowest level, then re-tooled into a new military standard (see the movie Full Metal Jacket for an excellent portrayal of this). The 12 Step program requires a person to hit rock bottom before they can truly see the light about their "disease." One must forfeit any esteem of one's being -- "let go, let God." No other treatment for their drinking problem is condoned. Alcoholics Anonymous is the only path to recovery, no glimmer of heresy is allowed. Just like religious fundamentalists, only their way can lead the AA member to the Promised Land of sobriety.
9/4/10 A.A. members often call outsiders things like "normies", "flatlanders", "pigeons", and "A.A.-bashers".
A.A. has a bad case of the "Us versus Them" mindset:
- "Normies" don't understand.
- "Regular people" don't know.
- "They" are just "A.A.-bashers", and "A.A.-bashers" don't tell the truth.
- "They" don't have a working recovery program.
- "They" don't have Bill Wilson's doctrines or wisdom.
- "They" aren't doing the Twelve Steps.
- "They" don't believe.
- "They" don't have faith.
- "They" don't know what it's like.
- "They" aren't part of The Fellowship.
- "They" aren't one of us.
- "They" aren't "our kind of people".
- "They" aren't part of "The Recovery Movement".
- "They" aren't Working the Program.
- "They" are "enablers".
- "They" aren't "spiritual".
- "They" have too much self-will.
- "They" aren't Friends of Bill.
- "They" don't want to know God.
- "They" aren't doing the Will of God.
- "They" are luring vulnerable alcoholics to their deaths by telling them that they can quit drinking without A.A. and the Twelve Steps.
- "They" will make alcoholics relapse.
Part of the reason for the devaluation of the outsider is of course fear — fear of criticism for being an alcoholic, fear of disapproval, fear that the outsider will not "understand" — "Only another A.A. member understands." Outsiders are dangerous and you can't trust them, but you will be safe inside the cult.
9/4/10 The sneering and dismissive tone adopted towards anyone with reservations about adopting the doctrine elaborated in the “Big Book” of AA is shown by this quote from “Doctor Bob” Smith:
“If you think you are an atheist, an agnostic, a skeptic, or have any other form of intellectual pride which keeps you from accepting what is in this book, I feel sorry for you”.
One has to ask why AA has such a strong anti-intellectual bias. It can only be because it sees critical and analytical thought as threatening to its precepts. In other words, AA’s message simply does not stand up to rational examination; hence the intellect is treated with scorn and contempt to try to preempt such examination.
Fear of the intellect, as well as hatred and contempt for it, to the extent that the very word “intellectual” is a term of abuse, are typical of totalitarian states from Nazi Germany to Maoist China. They are also well-documented features of totalistic cults.Sit down, don’t think, take to cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth.
9/1/10 The fundamental deception of AA is that it is an organization devoted to helping people defeat addictions. AA is not about recovery, AA is about AA. The First Tradition, which values the welfare of the group over its totally dependent members, is a red flag that is carefully shielded from public scrutiny. The steps themselves deceive the observer, seeming to convey an antidote for the degeneracy of addicted people. Ominously, the steps contain not even a hint on how an individual might cease and desist from the use of alcohol or drugs, but only instruct the member to stop trying to quit and shift that responsibility onto the cult and its deity-of-convenience, any Higher Power of one’s conception. This amorphous Higher Power, although called God, is entirely unique to AA, as it is intended to metamorphose into an Alcoholic’s God that intervenes at the level of voluntary motor control. “At times, there is no human defense against the desire to drink,” they explain, “but your Higher Power will protect you. Let go and let God.” Submission to the will of the Alcoholic’s God is the benchmark of working a good program, and is the antithesis of free-will, self-determination, self-will, i.e., denial. Since members are a self-selected group in the long-term grip of pleasure, continued intermittent drinking or using is the actual group norm, even though the stated norm is complete abstinence. Drinking bouts are then integrated as “relapses,” “slips,” or innocent symptoms of the group disease. This seductive, deceptive arrangement allows members to continue drinking, which they are impassioned to do, while appearing to be committed to abstinence. Essentially, AA is a drug-cult which holds various substances to be “desecrating sacraments” which are necessary for eventual cleansing of the soul. It is clearly not an organization devoted to teaching people any means to end substance addictions.
“If you want what we have and ready to go to any lengths...” Look around the room; take a good honest look, not an inventory. Look at each person. Don’t compare. Progress not perfection. He doesn’t own a car, he doesn’t have a steady job, she has a criminal record, she doesn’t have a drivers license, he has 2 outstanding warrants for his arrest, he doesn’t pay his child support payments, she doesn’t have a permanent place to live, he is a pedophile, he has no health insurance, she has poor hygiene, he believes in the dogma, she doesn’t believe in God, he is severely depressed, she is on probation, he twice filed for bankruptcy, she rides a bicycle, he is a convicted felon, she is miserable, he is bi-polar, she is a cougar, he/she are psychopaths, he is suicidal, she has no money, he is not responsible, she has no true friends, he/she are members of a religious cult, he only speaks programese, he preys on the sick and weak in the rooms, he is a sexual predator, she is a liar and a fraud, he has been divorced 3 times, he is on food stamps, he is a con artist, she admitted she is insane and he admitted he is powerless to change on your own. It’s not your fault; just blame it on your alcoholism. And all of the above rolled into one could be your sponsor that you ask for advice and guidance. No wonder that the 12 steps have a 97% walk out rate according to the last survey done by Alcoholics Anonymous World Services. Good luck working the 12 steps with your sponsor.
In 1960, Bill Wilson gave a speech to the National Catholic Clergy Conference on Alcoholism. During the ensuing question and answer discussion, Wilson was asked why he did not use the term "disease" when he spoke of alcoholism in that speech. He replied,"We AA's have never called alcoholism a disease because, technically speaking it is not a disease entity. For example there is no such thing as heart disease. Instead there are many separate heart ailments, or combinations of them. It is something like that with alcoholism. Therefore we do not wish to get in wrong with the medical profession by pronouncing alcoholism a disease entity. Therefore we always call it an illness, or a malady—a far safer term for us to use."Even the Big Book God himself, Bill Wilson, stated that alcoholizm isn't a disease. This kinds of shoots the shit out of what you hear in the meeting rooms. There are so many lies and contradictions within AA that you don't know what to believe.
Lunatics Anonymous Iguana Killers Club
Key West, FL 33040
United States
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